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Subject:SGA Cancelled
Time:09:35 pm
You know, I will be the first to say that Stargate Atlantis isn't the best television show out there... it has plenty of flaws, but they are lovable flaws and it's fun and, when the writers remember that, it is hard to beat.  It's like all good comfort food... simple, easy to swallow, and it just makes you feel good.  It may not be fillet mignon in a port wine reduction, but sometimes you can't beat a cheese burger with all the fixings.  I don't think Sci Fi gave SGA all the chances it deserved and I don't feel the producers gave it a chance, period.  To hear the writers and producers talk about it in comparison to SG1, it was obvious they felt SGA wasn't up to par when in reality the character dynamics are better than what we'd seen on SG1 in over five years.  Over the run of SG1, the characters seemed to grow apart, whereas on SGA they just grow closer.  The last three seasons have just gotten better and better... the writing, character development, team interaction, hell the acting itself has improved.  Add to that the improved ratings and awards (won and nominated) and you would think TPTB would realize they had a solid show on their hands, especially in the sci fi genre.  Instead they decide to cancel it and make a few movies and play with their new toy Stargate Universe... not to mention ruin my entire fucking week right before the episode I've been waiting to see for months.  

I'm frustrated, disappointed, and, yes, pissed.  I started out as an SG1 fan and, admittedly, didn't really care for SGA when it first came on.  But then I saw The Defiant One during a minimarathon  during the midseason hiatus and John and Rodney hooked me and I've never looked back.  SG1 lost its glimmer a few years ago when RDA started limiting his appearances.  I love Ben Browder and Claudia Black but even they couldn't save the show, especially when they started the whole Ori storyline.  Mobius was the perfect ending point for SG1 and they kept going.  Maybe they're worried SGA will start that slow death, as well, but to me, it hasn't even reached its peak yet.  And what frustrates me most is that of all the things SGA did to make me happy, the best was that it inspired me to write. I have to admit that it scares me a little bit to think that part of my life might come to an end with the series because no other show in the past five years has inspired me to write and I'm not seeing anything promising on the horizon.  As much as I'll miss my team love and John and Rodney snark and the fun I have on Friday nights with them, it's getting hit by a story idea that eats me up until I start typing that I think I'll miss most of all.  And the worst part is that I can't see any really good reason why.
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bbuttercup
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Time:2008-08-21 05:23 am (UTC)
I'm flummoxed as well, and how must the actors feel? To be so easily dismissed? I think I feel more *grrrr* over that than anything else :o(
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 03:20 am (UTC)
I know this is the nature of the beast for most actors... they *know* a show can be canceled at any time, but with numbers up and all this was not the time that I expected it. And, yes, I hate it for them and the crew more than anything.
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kodiak_bear
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Time:2008-08-21 05:41 am (UTC)
Seriously, I HIGHLY double this was sci-fi's doing for once. And that takes a lot for me to say because their treatment of Farscape still niggles (Bonnie Hammer is atrocious and was behind The 4400 getting axed also). But this -- I think TPTB have been planning it for a little while. The clues were there, the talk about SGU, the talk about how they would continue Atlantis in 'some form', the 'not going to run two shows simultaneously, so Atlantis has to end for SGU to begin' crap. This...this was MGMs decision and rests at the foot of them wanting to push SGU and make more money by cheaper production costs and selling the SGA DVDs because (lets face it) we'll buy them! Just like we did SG-1 and I didn't even think those two movies were all that great.

But for me, short of a casting miracle, I'm done. I will not be tuning in to SGU...okay okay, bitterness shouldn't make me say never because one never does know, but I'm sooooooo angry that MGM pulled the rug out from under SGA when it was totally NOT warranted on the show's success front. It was really coming into its own.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 03:31 am (UTC)
I have to say I'll give SGU a shot. My first reaction is screw them and their new little show,too! But then I a) remember I didn't like SGA the first couple of eps, b) I had no clue who any of the cast of SGA was, except Rodney, who I hated on SG1 and grew to love on SGA, and c) the number of any sort of sci fi television shows is dwindling quickly. I mean, we have half a season of BSG left, Dr. Who is gone for at least a year, Torchwood is limited to a 5 ep miniseries, and Kripke is even saying Supernatural was never meant to run more than 5 seasons.

I've always got the impression that SGA was TPTB's transition boyfriend... you know the one you go after when your true love dumps you and you know it won't work out but it's good until you find something new. They knew the writing was on the wall for SG1 and they didn't want the franchise to end, but at the same time, they never committed to SGA and it never had that special place in their hearts that SG1 did. And in so many ways SGA is such a superior show which is why I want to just throttle them. Also, I don't understand why they wouldn't want to have a year or two of overlap with the new show to draw in the viewers instead of putting all their eggs in one basket.

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kodiak_bear
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Time:2008-08-22 03:51 am (UTC)
I loved SGA from Rising on. It was those stupid 'get in the gate' commercials that summer that sucked me. That dark-haired Sheppard character seemed so dam likable I couldn't be mad, plus, SG-1 was still being given its due, etc etc. Soon SGA took over SG-1 in my fandom love. And omg, Hide and Seek just sealed my fate.

I agree with you completely on SGAs status. Why they were so cool towards it when they'd worked so hard to GET it, just boggles me then and now. It's been a fun ride and while I do think their writing has suffered, when it has, it was the cast and their chemistry that carried the day. And that is not something a show gets right every time.

I want to say I'll never watch SGU just to make a point but I AM a sci-fi junkie and there's very little new sci-fi around and what has been showing up has gotten killed barely before it has a chance to take its first breath (Jericho, Moonlight).

I probably will at the least tune in, but until it airs I'll probably be grouching the whole way 'they killed SGA for THIS?' It has a lot harder road to prove than it would've if TPTB hadn't killed SGA to make way for their new baby. I guess we'll get to be resentful older siblings for a little bit and whether we love it, depends on what they do with it.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 04:47 am (UTC)
The ironic thing is that when I watched Rising, I was still wondering wtf they were thinking giving that jerk McKay a staring role? *G* And he really was still a little jerk like in Rising (although now I go back and watch the SG1 eps he was in and don't think he was that bad.) It was Weir heavy and John was okay but not stand out in my opinion. I actually didn't see Hide and Seek until I got the Season 1 DVD because I wasn't dead set on watching it again. I caught part of Underground but missed the wonderful John and Rodney interaction in the what hidden underground bunker scene. It was really a total fluke that I caught The Defiant One and fell in love with the boys. Within a week I was reading fanfic and a month later I was writing it. So, I guess the moral of the story is you have to give these things a shot. And I'm like you about feeling some resentment toward Universe. If they had it on the same time as SGA, I think I would be excited about it. So, it seems like a bad marketing move on their part if nothing else.
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kodiak_bear
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Time:2008-08-21 05:44 am (UTC)
Oh and FWIW, I'm with you totally on SG-1. Mitchell was just not near as good a character as John Crichton, they dulli-fied a very good actor and boxed him into that stiff role. He could've been brilliant and I saw flashes of it, but he was held back, probably because they were too afraid of the show being called Fargate or whatever. :( And SG-1 just wasn't the same when RDA started pulling out (not even his performances/character was as good).
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 03:35 am (UTC)
I saw the same thing with SG1 as I did with XFiles... the cast just lost their spark and seemed to be phoning in their performances. When I was watching Continuum and Daniel told the alternate Jack that they were best friends it actually took me by surprise because it's been a good five years since they had anything like a best friend spark between them on the show. And that's what bugs me most... the team as family bond has just been growing stronger over the past couple of seasons and I hate to see it end now.
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kodiak_bear
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Time:2008-08-22 03:56 am (UTC)
Yeah. SG-1s quality dropped a lot in season 7-10. There were some solid sparks in those years but the average of all was less than the 1-6 seasons. Jack O'Neill became way too irreverent, his character became almost a caricature of what it was originally. I never did watch the final season of the X-Files. :(
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 04:50 am (UTC)
As bad as this may sound, I almost wish they'd run SGA into the ground like they did SG1. I can say they should have ended SG1 several season before, but if they had, I would probably feel the same way... why are the canceling a show in its prime? We all say we hate when a good show goes bad, but when it happens slowly, you don't mind the cancelation as much as when it gets canceled while the quality is high.
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annieb1955
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Time:2008-08-21 05:48 am (UTC)
Amen and amen and amen

I am so bloody angry right now I could scream.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 03:36 am (UTC)
I just keep going from angry to stunned to denial to teary eyed to angry again. I just hate it so much.
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sobelle
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Time:2008-08-21 06:16 am (UTC)
Having missed the rumors, this news has totally blindsided me and I'm seriously pissed! (and teary too)

I don't know why I even bother with television... what with the boobs and charlatans in charge!@! ::throws hissy fit::
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 03:40 am (UTC)
I was evidently just deluding myself into thinking thing were looking good for the show... after the total freak out in season 4 with the cancelation of SG1 and killing of Carson in a paranoid response to that and revamping with Carter, Season 5 seemed to do well. We won a People's Choice Award, there are emmy nod and a directing nomination and the steadily improving ratings and then this. And to see something so *stupid* at this point just drives me nuts. Gah!
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piplover
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Time:2008-08-21 06:56 am (UTC)
I think the universe needs to be bitch-slapped. Seriously! I thought the series was doing great, and as you said, it was just getting stronger and stronger. The only reason I can think for them doing this is because they want to focus on their shiny new toy, Stargate Universe, or whatever the hell it is. Personally, I won't touch it with a ten foot pole. I was reluctant to get into SGA at first, but then I saw Hide and Seek and became a devoted fan. I don't know what I'm going to do with no more new John and Rodney. Universe, you can quit being a bitch now!
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 03:44 am (UTC)
See, based on my history with SGA, I know I'll give SG Universe a shot... that and the fact that there probably won't be anything else on to watch. But TPTB have pissed me off royally and I don't care what Mazolli says, I really, *really* think they were as much to blame if not more so than Sci Fi. If you aren't completely devoted to your product, why would anyone want to buy it? So they need to be bitch-slapped as much as the Universe.
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luthien
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Time:2008-08-21 07:11 am (UTC)
The end of this season marks 100 episodes, qualifies the show to be sold in syndication, and also marks the point when the actors' contracts would need to be renegotiated. The show's ratings have been pretty good and getting better, meaning that the actors could ask for more in the renegotiated contracts.

It's clearly a premeditated 'financial' decision, and not one of those last minute "Hey, your ratings suck. Bye!" decisions.

I'm not surprised that this has happened, but I'm very, very unhappy about it. The show has really started to get it together, the acting and particularly the character dynamics have been getting better and better, and I was *really* looking forward to this week's episode. *sigh*

This show is my happy place, and I'm not ready for it to be over. Bastards.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 03:48 am (UTC)
I keep reminding myself that I really am *still* looking forward to this week's ep and the other ones to come. It's probably going to be March-ish before the final ep aires and then maybe premier the movie about the time it would normally start the next season, so we've got almost another year before we're completely out of new SGA (for some reason, I just don't think they'll do more than one movie but I'll crossing my fingers I'm wrong). In a way, I really wish they'd held of on the announcement and let us enjoy at least the first half of the season without thinking "I'm one episode closer to the end."
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jackfan2
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Time:2008-08-21 07:38 am (UTC)
WHAT?!?!?!

Ok, I'm not as deeply intrenched in SGA as I used to be (thanks to some horrid casting decisions at the end of S3 wherein we lost Weir and Beckett - that was the end if my obsession). While I shunned the Carter season (like the plague that it was) I was ecstatic that Woolsey was going to take the helm, thought is should'a been him WAY before Carter, and then I was starting to see some light at the end of a very dark tunnel.

Yea, I'd like to point the finger (the middle finger) at Mullozie and his cohert, say it's their fault (thanks to getting rid of good cast and pissing off some fans) but yea, given all the bits about the 100th ep, and costs, I definitely am seeing this as a financial decision.

Well, I am sorry to hear that it's getting canned. Truely. Again, I was seeing a light there....

I'll say this, however, I didn't think I'd find another place to hang my obsessive hat but I have. The show Supernatural over at the CW has caught my heart. We're starting season4 and the show's creator, Eric Kripke says he's only going as far as 5 seasons, then he's done. Both stars contracts are up then too, and they both feel the same.

My point? I'll be crying too at the end of that 5th season (assuming the CW doesn't fold due to financial woes) but hang in there... the next thing might be out there. But shoot, John and Rodney snark is just epic so I'm sorry to see that end.

So, are they going to finish this season out for SGA then call it quits?
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 03:55 am (UTC)
Well, I'm a huge fan of Supernatural and have actually written a handful of fics for it, but as much as I love to watch it, I'm just not motivated to write the fics. The only reason I wrote the ones I did was because Koschka begged me to. But they're very... hard for me.

I honestly didn't mind Carter. I think it had to do with the fact that I was never a Weir fan (I had problems with the character from the time they introduced her on SG1 and they only got worse the more I watched the crappy way the writers handled the character) but I will never forgive them for what they did to Carson. As much as I loved Jewel in Firefly, Keller is yet another character the writers can't get a handle on. My main worry was the Carter-love the writers have flowing over to SGA but they actually contained themselves. And I was so totally dreading Woolsey but I've fallen in love with him in the few eps he's been in. I can't help but wonder if Amanda Tapping's show hadn't been picked up and she'd stayed on, TPTB might have fought to keep the show on. If only the had the same devotion to the SGA cast as they do to the SG1 cast, I don't think we'd be saying so long so soon.

The plan is to finish out Season 5, make a two hour movie to air on Sci Fi and then to DVD and possibly continue making SGA direct to DVD movies. I guess anything past the first movie remains to be seen, though.

Edited at 2008-08-22 04:02 am (UTC)
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spacedmonkey
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Time:2008-08-21 07:59 am (UTC)
I used to be an SG1 fan but lost it after season 5 and never really found the love again. When SGA came along I was doubtful, but then I saw 38 Minutes and I was totally hooked, especially with John and Rodney.

And while I am a rational adult who knows that this was going to happen soon or later, I always rather clung to the later option, especially since ratings were up and the team interaction was tighter than ever.

But more than there being no more show, more than there being no more snark I can honestly say that the second thought that went through my mind after reading the news and muttering "WTF?" my main pout was that you'd not be writing any more John and Rodney and that's just wrong, 'cause you're easily my most read fic writer, even to the point that when I was in hospital a couple of years ago my family brought in printouts for your stories to keep my mind off the infection that was trying to kill me off.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 04:00 am (UTC)
Awwww, well I'm so happy I could help in what little way I could during your illness. I figure it's almost a year before the eps finish airing and they show the movie, so it's a ways away. And I'm not saying I'll totally stop when the new material does (I mean I kept writing during that 8 month hiatus we survived a couple years back) but I know it will eventually lose it's appeal without new material to draw from. And, yeah, I knew it would eventually end, but like you, I had hoped for a few more years yet and I get a little teary eyed when I think of it all coming to an end.
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spacedmonkey
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Time:2008-08-22 07:52 am (UTC)
In the mean time, I shall be hoarding fic. :)
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equusentric
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Time:2008-08-21 12:20 pm (UTC)
We mere mortals will be counting on awesome writers like you to keep the Team alive for us. *wibbles* But I understand...everyone always says "I'm not going anywhere!" when a show is canceled, but everyone eventually finds new interests and the fandom fades out, and considering that probably a good 80% of my free time is spent reading and rereading SGA fic, I have no idea what I'm going to do with myself either. :((
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 04:05 am (UTC)
I know there are people out there who are still writing fic on shows that haven't been on the air for 30 or more years, but I'm just not sure I can do that. I like the new ideas that come from the episodes and what scares me is that I'll run dry on SGA and not have anything to replace it and have nothing to write and then what am I going to do?
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dr_dredd
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Time:2008-09-06 08:03 pm (UTC)
Jumping in here...

That's why I think your community sga_details_fic was such a good idea. There are so many little details floating around that we should be able to keep ourselves in fic for quite some time.

Hint, hint... :-)
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-09-06 09:30 pm (UTC)
Well, if others would write detail fics... hint, hint, back...*G* Seriously, I never intended for the community to be just my fics (I'd set the one detail fic per episode as my own private challenge and thought others might like it, too.) so I keep hoping others will get on board. There have been a few but we always want more!
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dr_dredd
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Time:2008-09-07 03:02 am (UTC)
Dang it, I just knew you were going to say that! ;-)

I'm thinking about some. I think there's smoke coming out of my ears...
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-09-07 07:02 pm (UTC)
Ha! Be careful what you wish for. *G*
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dru_evilista
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Time:2008-08-21 06:41 pm (UTC)
I know how you feel. The show has never been the best thing in the world or anything, and honestly I was thinking of not watching, when I was reading spoilers for this season. But I did, and McShep continued and rock. Like you said it's been getting better and better! Like last week, the adorable teamy goodness at the beginning with the "OMG! Flying Monkeys!" conversation.

I just can't believe it's gonna be gone... no more Team bonding, no more McShep snarking, no more Shepard's hair emoting! *cries*

And if you don't write anymore, it'll make it that much worse. You're one of the few fic writers I still read in this fandom. I got burnt out on the bad fic, and digging though FF.net, and you're one of the only writers who I know will always be awesome when I see a update from you.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 04:09 am (UTC)
That flying monkey conversation was wonderful! I loved it to pieces and it's just about the only thing memorable about the entire ep... not that I hated it but it was just kind of dull in my opinion. (Evidently Weir bores me no matter what form she's in.)

Honestly, I'll just have to wait and see what happens with the inspiration to write. I worry that without new stimulus, the ideas will dry up, too. It really is frustrating.
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negolith2
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Time:2008-08-21 09:55 pm (UTC)
I have a theory - TPTB tried to get Atlantis to do product placement like Eureka (Degree Super Pit Oder Stopper Whatever), and the actors said, "Sorry, we aren't that pathetic". So, TPTB said okay fine, see ya.

It's either that, or their heads are superglued up their asses....

John and Rodney hooked me and I've never looked back

Yup. Them and Angel and Spike have been the best non-married married couples ever.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 04:10 am (UTC)
My opinion is if they are going to end the series then they should end it with the reveal that John and Rodney have been a couple for the past three years. *G* It seems only fair after making me miserable with the cancelation.
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margec01
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Time:2008-08-22 12:57 am (UTC)
I have to admit that it scares me a little bit to think that part of my life might come to an end with the series because no other show in the past five years has inspired me to write and I'm not seeing anything promising on the horizon.

I've done plenty of ranting and raving over on my own lj, but THIS explains exactly what I'm most going to miss. All the beautiful fics. From all the wonderful writers like you and my other favorites.

sheafrotherdon and sholio are writing some lovely, wonderful posts saying that SGA fandom will be around for years. And, of course SGA fandom won't die overnight. But people can't help but move on. There are many writers who won't feel that itch to fill in the blanks when there are no more blanks. There will be many readers who will move on to the latest shiny (Supernatural, anyone?).

I know it was going to happen sooner or later--I was just hoping for later. I really doubt TPTB will be able to catch lightning in a bottle AGAIN for Stargate:Universe. But obviously THEY think they can, so no sense keeping the current expensive cast around. Thanks a lot, Sci Fi, MGM, AND Bridge.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-08-22 04:33 am (UTC)
Hell, Starsky and Hutch fandom is still around, so I have no doubt SGA will be around for a long time to come. But you hit the nail on the head when you said there won't be any blanks to fill in. And one of the reasons I really love SGA is that the characters seem to grow each season so it makes the writing grow too... it's always got a little fresh twist on it. I think that without that growth to spring from it will eventually start to feel stagnant. But we've got probably a year or more before we run out of new material, so I'm just going to enjoy what time we have left... and curse TPTB everytime the credits roll before going off and writing more.
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laryn69
Subject:Disappointed but still hopeful
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Time:2008-08-22 04:06 am (UTC)
Just thought I'd drop a note to the group. There's an interview over at Gateworld that is very much worth readng right now. I'm sure there's a tangled mess of ownership issues between SCI-FI and MGM thanks to the transition of SG-1 so long ago, that's caused most of the stupidity we've seen for handling Atlantis. But the spark of hope that I saw in Brad Wright's interview was the hope for a series of movies, not just one, and the CHANGE OF VENUE while the series was still popular. The stargate universe is too entrenched in American culture now to simply disappear - even if it comes in the form of virtual seasons. :)
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liketheriverrun
Subject:Re: Disappointed but still hopeful
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Time:2008-08-22 04:38 am (UTC)
I hate to say it, but I'll believe the series of movies when I see it. I think we'll see more SG1 movies than SGA because they just love that show more. They don't hide that fact. And they have plans for more stargate universe...literally....,which is why I think we're losing SGA so they can concentrate on their new pet project. But a new show isn't John and Rodney snarking, and a virtual season isn't Joe and David interacting on screen. So even if I end up falling in love with Stargate Universe whenever it aires, I will still miss SGA.
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