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Subject:Pardon me while I rant about SGA het romance...
Time:09:25 pm

Okay, the good news is I hope to finish the massive AU western epic tomorrow on my flight back to visit Koschka for the weekend. That means she can beta it and hopefully I will have it posted on Friday or Saturday.  It's going to clock in around 30,000 words and it gave me fits towards the end, so I'll be glad to have this one finished up.  So, yay for massive fic and fun girls weekend!

Now, the bad news based on some photos I saw from Enemy at the Gate.  Not only is this the final episode (moan, wail, sob) but it confirms crap I've known was coming and was dreading like the plague...

Okay, based on interviews and photos from the second half of the season, including one very blatant one from the finale with Rodney with his arm around Jennifer as they stare off happily across the Atlantean ocean, it seems we can’t avoid the fact that they are going to cram this stupid Keller/Rodney romance down our throats.

 

First off, let me start by saying this is not an anti-Keller rant.  Yes, they are evil bastards for killing off Carson for no good reason and I will hate them forever for doing that, but my main problem with Keller has nothing to do with Carson’s demise.  Its roots lie in the same place as my problem with the Keller/Rodney romance, same as with the Keller/Ronon romance idea… crappy inconsistent writing. I actually enjoyed Keller in Trio and Tracker.  If she had been like that from day one, I might not mind her that much.  But she drove me nuts in Missing, Quarantine, and The Shrine. I mean, they have Ronon tell her about losing the love of his life and watching his entire society destroyed and then they have her whine about missing her high school dances and we’re supposed to not only sympathize for her but buy Ronon would be attracted to her???  And she acted like a sullen child in The Shrine, not a doctor intent on saving her patient.  And if I was Teyla I would have kicked her whiny ass back on New Athos.

 

But I digress…

 

The main point I’m trying to make has to do with romance and how the writers just can’t write it… at least intentionally.  Because, let’s face it, they’ve written an amazing love story over the past five years and they never meant for it to happen.  Oh, I’ll admit, I fell into the same trap.  I never had the slightest bit of interest in slash before SGA and I still to this day don’t see it in any other fandom.  But the chemistry between John and Rodney is amazing and in episodes like Doppelganger, The Shrine, The Last Man, Toa of Rodney, and Miller’s Crossing, to name a few, it is absolutely electric.

 

But I digress again…

 

So, anyway, here’s my argument as to why the writers don’t know how to write a het romance to save their lives.  And keep in mind this only applies to SGA… there are just as many in SG1.

 

1)      Katie Brown’s absence:  If you want me to believe Rodney is ready to propose to a woman *and* that they’ve been dating for over a year, we should have seen her or at least heard her name mentioned sometime in that past year.  Sure, she was there in Tabula Rasa, but where was she when Rodney was about to die in Toa of Rodney?  If I was Rodney and on my deathbed, I might look up and say, “Hey, by the way, where’s my girlfriend?”

 

2)      Katie and Rodney acting like each other had cooties:  The awkwardness was actually kind of cute in the first date ep, but if you’ve been dating someone for over and year and are going to propose, you should be over that awkward phase and you shouldn’t act like you’re afraid to touch her.   I’m supposed to buy that they’ve had sex when they act like they’ve never even kissed?  Uh, no.

 

3)      The whole John/Teyla or John/Elizabeth UST:  Early on there was a whole lot of John risking his life to save Teyla… or Elizabeth.  And then there was Season 2 where John kissed every woman he came in contact with… Teyla, Elizabeth, the Epiphany chick, the Tower chick.  And yet, time and time again, John looked horrifically uncomfortable when Teyla or Elizabeth hugged him.  I think they finally gave up on the John/Liz thing after Season 1 and tried for the John/Teyla angle instead.  But they always push it at weird times.  I think the strangest for me was with John trapped in Search and Rescue and dreaming about a romantic dinner with Teyla.  She was about to give birth to another man’s child and he’s dreaming of a candle lit dinner with her?  Was I the only one who thought that was a little odd???

 

4)      John as Kirk:  Okay, there’s a part of me that enjoys John as Kirk but then they throw total crap at us like Sanctuary and Travelers and I want to go whack the writers upside the head.  Chaya and Laryn made John look like an idiot and I don’t like when John looks like an idiot because he’s really not one.  A little slow on the uptake sometimes and over simplistic with his planning on occasion, but he’s not an idiot.   I mean, Laryn beat the crap out of him and five minutes later he’s kissing her… with a Wraith right around the corner… and she stole his gun while he was doing it.  In my book, if you do something as stupid that, you deserve to be beat and have your gun stolen.

 

5)      If Rodney was in love with Jennifer, why did he glom onto John in The Shrine?  He asked for John, he sought out John when he was scared, his face lit up when John came in the room.  He looked like he didn’t even know who Keller was when she was talking to him.  But we’re supposed to buy he’s in love with Keller? Even if you don’t see the overt slashiness of that episode, I’m not sure how we’re supposed to believe Rodney is in love with Jennifer based on that and the one beer they had the season before.

 

6)      Why aren’t Keller and Rodney together *now*?  I mean, Rodney confessed his love for her, she has it on a tape she’s watched over and over, and she just told Ronon she’s interested in someone else which we can only assume is Rodney.  He’s interested… she’s interested…. she *knows* he’s interested…What the fuck are they waiting for?  It’s a sure thing, Jennifer!  Ask him out, jump his bones, live happily ever after for God’s sake!  But noooooooo we have to tap dance around it for the sake of nonexistent UST and tension between Ronon and Rodney.  Why?  Why?????

 

I actually didn’t have a problem with Rodney and Jennifer becoming a couple in The Last Man.  Given all they went through and being the survivors when everyone else had died, I could see it happening.  I just haven’t seen anything this season to convince me that they should be a couple now that they won’t go through that experience except what the writers have *told* me.  How about a little showing instead?

 

On second thought, how about just dropping the whole thing and admit that you can’t write it, which is fine since I, for one, don’t want it.

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brindel
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Time:2008-10-23 06:00 am (UTC)
On second thought, how about just dropping the whole thing and admit that you can’t write it, which is fine since I, for one, don’t want it.

I can't think of a single comment for that but this...

DAMN STRAIGHT!
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-23 07:59 pm (UTC)
I don't know why the feel the need to push a canon relationship on us? It's not necessary and just alienates those of us who a) don't want a relationship between any of the characters or b) don't want a relationship between those particular characters. Just let us see what we want to see and get on with the storytelling.
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brindel
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Time:2008-10-24 07:19 am (UTC)
You got me on that. For some reason TPTB do not seem happy unless a major character is in some 'relationship' with somebody, no matter how pointless to the plot or story line, it just has to be there. Apparently, something similar is happening right now on Numb3rs. One of the characters is having a completely inappropriate relationship with a witness for no durn good reason, other than making the character look pretty bad to some loyal viewers, but it's a Relationship!
What's most annoying is that you've got a finite resource, the show's airtime, and it gets wasted on these unnecessary 'relationships' when I'd prefer they spend more time on, idunno, say, the plot? Or team development? Or building backstories on the existing characters? Whatever. Silly, childish ideas like these are why I'll never make it as a player, I'm sure. *g*
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mezzo_cammin
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Time:2008-10-23 06:54 am (UTC)
I absolutely agree. Either write the romance or drop it. Please. I just have no idea what the writers are thinking. Unless it's some kind of knee-jerk anti-slash kind of thing? there, see, we gave McKay a heterosexual romance...he can't possibly be gay.
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(Anonymous)
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Time:2008-10-23 08:34 am (UTC)
I agree with you and River. I think they tried it with John, failed completely, and are now trying with Rodney - some kind of 'one of the leads *must* have sexual tension with someone of the opposite gender... it says so in the Screenwriters 101 manual on page...' .

But, as with Katie, it's manufactured, after the fact, out of moments that never existed - so it seems false, because it hasn't grown out of numerous small instances, that build and build, as with John and Rodney. With those two, there are multiple canon moments of gazes, touches, calling for each other, protecting each other, supporting each other - the foundations and signs of a relationship. There isn't enough of that with Rodney and Katie or Keller for it to read as real.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-23 08:04 pm (UTC)
Exactly! The thing for UST to be successful is that it needs to be sustained over the long run. X-Files had great het UST, IMHO. They have never been able to maintain it the Stargate realm (except for John and Rodney)... it's here, no it's not, oh wait, Rodney was dating someone wasn't he, let's drag her out again. Gah! It's so inconsistent and used as a plot device and I really don't know why they even try.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-23 08:01 pm (UTC)
Believe me, I'm perfectly happy with them hinting at John and Rodney's relationship. I don't need a het one crammed down my throat. *G* Especially since it's not necessary for any reason whatsoevery.
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piplover
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Time:2008-10-23 07:18 am (UTC)
Exactly! Yes, this, everything you said. I actually tried to like Keller, but the more they keep throwing the romance at me, the more I can't stand it. There have even been episodes I haven't watched because of them throwing the stupid McKay/Keller at us. They can't write it, I don't buy it, and it just hurts now.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-23 08:06 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I was dreading Tracker because it was billed at the big love triangle ep but I actually ended up enjoying it for Rodney in the field with Ronon... it really had some hilarious bits with those two that had nothing to do with the romance angle. And actually, that ep would have been completely fine *without* the romance... better even.
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crownglass39
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Time:2008-10-23 11:45 am (UTC)
Yay for massive epic, and as for the rest, I agree 100%
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-23 08:09 pm (UTC)
I will be soooo happy to finish the western... I'm getting behind on some other committments because of it. But I hope you enjoy it. It's gen but Season 4/5 gen which means you can read into it anyway you want with the boys. *G*
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kimberlyfdr
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Time:2008-10-23 12:18 pm (UTC)
I actually didn’t have a problem with Rodney and Jennifer becoming a couple in The Last Man. Given all they went through and being the survivors when everyone else had died, I could see it happening.

Exactly exactly exactly! They had lost everyone they knew and loved, they found solace in each other, I was cool with it. But this season, the forced writing (and the inconsistent Keller characterization) is horrible and I cannot for the life of me understand why the writers cannot recognize it (other than the fact they're blinded with geekboy lust over Jewel). I'm very sad over this turn of events, very sad indeed.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-23 08:12 pm (UTC)
The whole Keller thing and the romance really make me think TPTB believe, if we tell them it's true, they will come to believe it.... you will love Keller because we love Jewel. Well, I loved Jewel in Firefly where she played a well written character. Here on SGA, not so much, and it is all the writers faults. Same for the romance situations they've set up over the years. Unfortunately, there are many of us who just aren't as stupid as TPTB think we are.
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margec01
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Time:2008-10-23 08:30 pm (UTC)
You are so right. That pic just made me want to puke. I can stand it if we have a suggestion of het, but please! As you say, give us hints and let us interpret how we want.

And, yay, looking forward to a new fic from you--and a long one, too. Even bigger yay!
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-23 09:33 pm (UTC)
I felt the same way with the pic. Just... why? Why force it? I'm not stupid, I *know* I'll never get John and Rodney on screen the way I'd like to see them, but why force the other when it's just not there? I mean, I can see where people get the whole John/Teyla thing. There is the occassional little tease and that's fine... let those who see them as their OTP see what they want like those of us who see John and Rodney as our OTP. If the Rodney/Keller contingent wants to take that beer they had and run with it, more power to them. I just don't get why TPTB feel the need to take us by the shirt front and shake us and say, no! This is the way it's going to be! Sigh.
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dru_evilista
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Time:2008-10-24 12:36 am (UTC)
I agree so hard. The Stargate writers just suck at writing romance. Every time they try it's just....horrid. It's when they're NOT trying, when it's the last thing they want, that it's good. Jack/Daniel, Jack Sam sometimes, Rodney/Sheppard. All wonderful. But Sam/Pete, Sam/any of her Black Widow victims, Shepard/anyone but Rodney, Rodney/Katie, Rodney/Keller, all terrible.

Seriously, they either need to just stay gen and let the fanfic writers sort it out, or just tell the military to fuck off, and let the slash pairings do it. ...*thinks about the writers writing skills* ...um go with the gen. They just can't do romance.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-25 06:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it really is pathetic why they feel the need to do it. Sometimes I think it really is because the slashiness has been sooooo overt the past two seasons they think they have to do this just to prove us wrong. *G*
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ldyanne
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Time:2008-10-24 02:47 am (UTC)
I think the idea of Rodney and Keller is a little hysterical, because, IMO, the one person that Rodney doesn't have chemistry with is Keller.

I'm like you and I've never seen the slash in a show before John and Rodney, but those two just have so much chemistry together!
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-25 06:53 pm (UTC)
Exactly! There is nothing between them on screen. It all looks so forced.
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d_odyssey
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Time:2008-10-24 03:47 am (UTC)
I so agree, except I have to add I don't like the Keller character at all. The equation of Ronon's world being ripped apart and her whining about missing high school activities just sealed it for me. Why would anyone with life experience and brains be interested in that? Ack!

Even though I knew the McKeller was coming from Mallozzi's blog and Staite's statements, it just made me sick to see those pictures. Rodney apart from the team, not even next to John. *cries* The wooden pose with his arm around Keller but head angled away instead of leaning in. It is all so fake. Why try to make an action adventure show into a soap opera after 4 years?

Excellent points regarding the poor writing. I would add, that less than a year ago Rodney was proposing to Katie Brown and now he is saying he loves Keller and has for quite a while. The time dimension really warps here. Also, Keller watching that tape more than once just creeps me out - that really violates any kind of professionalism. Here is a patient, who she is romantically interested in, mentally compromised and she is flirting with him and taping him and watching it repeatedly??? Squicks me. Then the real point - Rodney calls for John, feels safe with John, trusts John. Not Keller. Then never having been on a date he, is declaring he loves her and has for a "long" time. Again, Katie Brown ring a bell? How long? I think the proof of love is what we saw on screen and having been seeing on screen for 4 plus years - Rodney calling for and being comforted by John. Also, agree that Keller acted like a spoiled child in The Shrine. *grinds teeth* Excellent observation, that by the writers telling us, we should believe that he loves her. There is absolutely no UST, no kind of chemistry at all between McKay and Keller. I do believe it is the writers indulging their fantasies/crush on Jewel and transferring it unto Keller and Rodney, who they have said is their alter ego. In a roundabout way, they get the hot chick. Agree with an earlier comment, Keller/Jewel is the only character that David Hewlett has no chemistry with. I resent that the writers think we are stupid and should all love this pairing and not question it. *calming breaths*

I don't mind the subtle subtext, ala John and Teyla. If you are a Sheyla shipper, you can see small hints or details that will make you happy, if not you see friendship and trust between the two, completely gen. I don't need the writers to tell me what I'm seeing on screen or what I should believe. I hate this "relationship" being shoved down my throat, when I don't believe it for a minute. Also there with you on the slash. Have never seen it anywhere else, but my gosh, it just jumped out at me between John and Rodney. Surprised me. I know I'll never see it on screen, but moments like the pier scene or the infirmary scene in Echoes make me happy. That's all I need, that and fanfic.

"On second thought, how about just dropping the whole thing and admit that you can’t write it, which is fine since I, for one, don’t want it."

Word! Sing it sister! It breaks my heart that the show is ending, let alone ending without the team together out on the balcony.

Sorry for the rant, the McKeller really gets to me. Any het romance at this point with the main team would bother me, but especially when a poorly written character is thrust front and center, taking time away from the team, and NO chemistry exists, well it is pointless. And frustrating and maddening.

On the flip side, yay new fic coming from you. Can't wait to read it. Always enjoy your work - gen or slash.

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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-25 06:57 pm (UTC)
I have to agree that I found Keller in The Shrine completely unprofessional and her actions (including the video) very inappropriate. And the way she took Rodney out of the cave like that to test a theory... and nearly killed him as a result. She totally deserved that glare John gave her when he got Rodney back in the cave.
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springwoof
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Time:2008-10-25 02:50 am (UTC)
I agree with your comments. I rather like Keller (because I'm buying the Keller we see in the "good" episodes and ignoring the episodes where they paint her as a whiny child).

And YAY! for your new fic! ::bounces excitedly::
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-10-25 06:59 pm (UTC)
If they would write Keller (and Jewel would act) the role more consistently, I might like her, too. Like I said, I enjoyed her in Trio and Tracker but unfortunately the bad have outnumbered the good.
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