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Subject:The big, massive Comicon Report- Part 2
Time:09:09 pm
With a whole six hours of sleep, we started Saturday morning once again with plans to catch the early trolley to the Convention Center. Just one problem… American Idol was holding auditions at Qualcomm Stadium on Saturday and Sunday. Lord. And I thought the Convention Center was a madhouse.
They had warned us at the trolley stations that they would be holding the auditions and said they would be charging $10 to park (usually it was free). That was fine. What wasn’t fine was the mess the parking lot was in. They had the normal road to the trolley parking blocked off. When they waved us into an entirely different lot I told the guy I was just going to trolley parking. Oh, you should have gone the other way around. Well, no one told us that, all the signs still say trolley parking this way, am I a goddamn mind reader now? So he says turn around in the lot and I’ll let you out so you can go back the other way. I turn around and I can’t get out of the lot because someone feels they are special and should be able to go through the barricades and proceed to block the lane while they argue with the traffic guy. After about five minutes of watching this, I say screw it and just drive as far as I can to get as close to the trolley as possible, then huff it the rest of the way on foot.

We finally get to the Convention Center a little after 9 am again and go straight to the room where Supernatural will be at 2:45 pm. This room is at least half the size of Ballroom 20 where SG had been on Friday, which is where Heroes and Battlestar Galactica will be at 12:45 and 2:15 on Saturday. The line for Ballroom 20 is already around the convention center by the time we get there and I was told later that if you weren’t in line by 8:00 am you didn’t get in. Totally insane. 

So, the room we were in had several things planned before Supernatural and we just decided to stick it out through all of them to ensure we had a seat. So I’ll run through those, as well. Some more briefly than others.

Pushing Daisies

The schedule started with the screening of the pilot for a new show called Pushing Daisies. They had promos all over the place for it in the exhibition hall and, honestly, it didn’t seem like something I would be interested. Man oh man, was I wrong. This show is one of the smartest, quirkiest, freshest shows I’ve seen in a long time. Of course, the fact that is was created by Bryan Fuller (Dead Like Me, Heroes) and directed by Barry Sonnenfeld (Get Shorty, Men in Black) probably has a lot to do with it (they were both on the panel). And now that I think about it, it definitely has a Coen Bros feel to it, who Sonnenfeld worked with for several films. The imagery is beautiful and romantic and wistful and totally sets the mood of a fairytale, which it really is. But the writing and acting are top notch and hilarious. It really has the atmosphere of a British comedy (think Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy) with its narration, but the dialogue and situations are sharp and intelligent and yet irreverent. 

It deals with a guy who learns as a child (in a rather disturbing yet hilarious way) that he can bring dead things back to life with a touch… then kill them again with a second touch. And if he doesn’t touch them again within one minute, someone else in the general vicinity will die, as well. Bryan Fuller says this was something he toyed with doing as an arc in Dead Like Me but it never happened, so now he’s developed an entire series around it. The guy becomes a baker, and runs a restaurant called the Pie Hole (heeee!) and, through a bizarre event, his talent is found out by a private investigator who asks him to join up with him in a business proposition… they go to the morgue, bring a murdered person back to life, ask who killed them, then collect the reward money. The Pie Maker is very dry and reserved, the Private Investigator is biting and sarcastic and they make a great duo. Throw into the mix a waitress that is in love with him but has no clue about his talent and his childhood sweetheart he can never touch again (not to mention his dog with the same problem) and it actually works. So keep an eye out for this one, people.

Quick Draw

Next up was something called Quick Draw. They take three cartoonist and give them each an overhead screen and then give them challenges and watch them draw the challenges. I’ll admit, I’m not a big comic/cartoonist fan but even I knew these three. Sergio Aragones from Mad Magazine and Scott Shaw who did the Flinstones and… crap, I can’t think of his name (don’t you hate that? And of course, he wasn’t in the program listing), but he’s the animator for Futurama. It was a fun way to pass an hour and a half and Sergio did one drawing that they kept having him add things to it, so it was just a frantic collection of images that were kind of, sort of related. And they auctioned that off for a charity and someone paid over $300 for it.

Laurell K. Hamilton

Next up was Laurell K. Hamilton, who I don’t read and from what I’ve heard, since her books have turned rather porny over the years, I really have no desire to start reading. But she did have some interesting philosophies on writing in general that I totally agree with (i.e., sometimes your characters take you in a direction you hadn’t intended to go and it’s best to just follow along since they really do know best) so even though I had not idea what the vast majority of the discussion was about since it dealt with specific characters and books, the talk about writing in general was kind of interesting.

The Family Guy

Once that was over, the room cleared out a bit and we jockeyed for position and moved up several rows and toward the center of the room. Now it was time for The Family Guy. Once again, it’s one of those shows I watch occasionally when nothing else is on but not one of my favorites. It’s a little uneven in the humor for me… individual bits are hilarious but the rest falls flat. But they showed several scenes from an upcoming episode that is a straight parody of Star Wars. Not just bits and pieces but the whole thing with each character of the show playing a character in Star Wars. And I was in tears. Stuey the baby as Darth Vader taunting Louis as Princess Leia saying that after he interrogates her, maybe they can talk about her home planet… oh, oh, oh, I’m sorry, I guess it’s not there anymore. Peter as Han Solo and Ryan as Chewie trying to take a sofa from the trash compactor home with them on the Millenium Falcon. And probably my favorite bit: the Bush-Cheney bumper sticker on the back of the Imperial Cruiser in the opening scene. Plus, the panel was very entertaining. I had no idea the writers and creators were the ones that did the majority of the voices. They talked about censorship and how things changed after the infamous Janet Jackson nipple incident, introduced a few new voices for next season, and dealt with total fans that gushed endlessly about how great they were.

Supernatural

Then, *finally* it was time for Supernatural. Once again people were moving around and my clear shot of the stage was blocked by a very large man on one side. They started setting up the table and to my ultimate relief, Jensen Ackles is going to be sitting directly in my small window of a clear view. But then, the down side… no sign for Jared Padalecki. Moan. The person comes out from WB and announces that Jared really wanted to be there but had been up until 6 am that morning filming and had missed his flight. Once again, given a choice between the two, I’d take Jensen, so it wasn’t the *worst* that could have happened, but still a huge disappointment.
The panel comes out and takes their seats. Ben Edlund and Eric Kripke (producers) Jensen Ackles (Dean Winchester) and Sera Gamble (writer). And yes, Jensen is dead center in front of me, and as long as the big guy doesn’t lift his camera up (which he continued to do…grrrrr!) I could see him and a bit of Sera. The other two I had to rely on the big screen to see. Craig Tomashoff from TV Guide acted as the moderator and actually had several prepared questions before they opened it up to the audience. 

The Many Faces of Jensen


Jensen and Sera Gamble


Edlund and Kripke



They had opened with a couple of videos. One was the compilation of scenes that they’ve aired before to Johnny Cash’s God’s Gonna Cut You Down (killer song, I was listening to it on the drive down to San Diego. *G*) Then they had another compilation of scenes to a score by Robert Rodriguez from Once Upon A Time in Mexico (another awesome soundtrack). According to Kripke, the guys in the promo department love Supernatural and are evidently vidders at heart since they keep coming to them with these compilation vids. Heee. Neither showed any spoilers for Season 3 since they’ve really just started shooting and had nothing to show. And finally, they had a special off the Season 2 DVD about the making of the Season 2 finale, which was really fascinating and since it’s on the DVD I won’t go into detail. But suffice it to say, the original concept was quite a bit different but they couldn’t shoot it because it would have blown their budget and actually the alternative they came up with (to use the railroad tracks as a giant Devil’s Trap) is absolute genius in my mind. Also, it covered the reshooting they had to do because of changes in the script that came after they had already shot the scenes with their dad in the graveyard (the actor was only available during a certain period so those were shot early). Sam was supposed to originally be covered in blood after a huge fight with Jake but they had to cut that so Jared had to reshoot all his stuff without blood with a green screen and they superimposed his image over the original scenes. Which makes me wonder if that’s why their dad only *looks* over at Sammy and nods but actually touches Dean.

Someone asked about the Impala and the size engine it had and the writers and producers stammered and Jensen stepped in and started rattling off all the specs for the stunt car and then the others that are used for everyday shooting and impressed everyone. Someone asked why Sam never gets to drive the Impala and Jensen said, “Because it’s my car, goddammit!” And Kripke said he’s even more obsessive about that than anyone. That he’ll see in the script, Sam driving the car, and he’ll get up in arms and demand, “It’s Dean’s car. Why is Sam driving?” And Sera Manners stepped in then and said, “Because Dean was just shot in the leg. Give us a break.” Heeee.
They also asked about practical jokes on the set and Jensen said that he and Jared decided early on that they weren’t going to get into that battle against each other and they tend to join forces against the others, and get it returned on both of them, as well. He told about one where they were climbing down into a sewer (which was on a sound stage so it was just a hole that went nowhere. And Jensen went down first and right when Jared was half way down, two five-gallon buckets of water were poured down on top of them. Jared said his first thought was, “Hey, this isn’t in the script.” That and others are on the gag real of the Season 2 DVDs. Someone asked about each person’s favorite episode and Jensen had a neat little bit to say about that, including the emotional difficulties of shooting All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 2. And I just happened to capture it on video. *G*

Jensen on playing Dean in All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2

The panel talked a lot about music and the part it plays in the show and how everyone really has a say in what songs are used. Kripke just has a rule that they don’t bring him anything recorded after 1980. They were asked about a sound track for the show and Kripke said that they actually pitched that to WB music department and were told it is basically a classic rock compilation and there are tons of those out there and there wasn’t a target audience big enough to support putting one more out to compete with all the others. That earned much moaning from the audience that we evidently don’t count as a big enough market in their eyes. But he did say they would look into creating a download list for iPod music. Someone also asked if there were any plans to include the promo videos on the DVD set and they said not on Season 2 but that it was a great idea and they’d make a note to include them in future sets. 

The next paragraph contains small spoilers for Season 3, so don’t read if you want to remain spoiler free.

They asked about how Dean plans to spend his last year alive and evidently he plans to spend it like any red-blooded American boy… women, women, and more women. Speaking of women, they are adding two new female characters to the show next season. Kripke made if very clear they were not being put in as romantic interests for the brothers, that they wouldn’t be riding around together in the Impala eating Scooby snacks. That they were, in fact, on the same lines as other recurring characters like Ellen and Bobby and Gordon and they were going to be acting more as impediments to their work. So don’t freak out… yet. We will evidently learn more about the connection between the Yellow-Eyed Demon and their mother and what that might mean for Sammy. And (happy squeeing because I love this character!) we will learn more about Bobby’s past in the second episode of the season. Oh, and we’ll also be seeing Gordon again in Season 3.

That’s it for Spoilers, so it’s safe to read again.

They ended with Kripke stressing that we almost didn’t make it to Season 3 because of ratings and that all the fans really needed to do their part to make sure we get a Season 4 so pass the word to everyone to WATCH THIS SHOW. It was rather depressing because SGA ended on much the same note with the VP from Sci Fi saying watch the show live, don’t Tivo it, so we can keep it going. So once again, I am evidently in the minority of people that watch two great shows that don’t have mass appeal. My opinion is they don’t know what they’re missing.

The Rest of the Trip

Once that was over, we finally left that room for the first time in almost seven hours. Gah! We hit the exhibition hall one last time for me to pick up a few more things for hubby and the kids, then we said so long to Comicon since there really wasn’t anything that interested us too much on Sunday. We went to La Jolla, had Mexican food and margaritas, walked along the shoreline and saw the seals, then went home and crashed…. well, Robyn crashed, I wrote for a little bit on my section of the new Geeks and Goons Guide we’ve started. Then I crashed and we finally got to sleep in late the next morning. 

Sunday we went to a late breakfast, cleaned the house, then headed out to Julian for pie on our way back to Vegas. Of course that didn’t go exactly as planned. I somehow missed our exit off the 52 (I swear to God it wasn’t there) and we ended up circling around to the I-15 again, but not before we somehow ended up back downtown and almost in the Naval base. After I had a small nervous breakdown behind the wheel cursing the San Diego freeway system and Robyn dug out an old napkin for me to use to dry my eyes, we were on the road again and took the route off the I-15 instead. We had some amazing peach and apple pie in Julian, drove back through Temecula through the mountains and heading on toward Nevada. We stopped at Tom’s Farm for food (it was a place that used to be a simple little produce stand and is now this complex of building that sells everything) because I was about to starve and my blood sugar was dropping and I was getting cranky. I ordered a cheeseburger and onion rings and had order number 187. They call 187, I walk up to get it and there’s no tray. Kid behind the counter said, oh, he just picked it up. I told her, there is no he, I’m order 187. I looked out and the guy is already eating the damn food. So they took my receipt and went to fill it again. At this point, I’ve just about decided I’m cursed. Then they called order 185… and they called it again… and again. It’s a chicken sandwich and onion rings and I decided, evidently, *this* is the guy who took my food’s order. And he’s probably thinking they screwed up and gave him a cheeseburger, or he forgot what he ordered, or didn’t realize he was eating beef instead of chicken. I eventually got my food, we headed out again, and arrived back home about 8:30 at night, absolutely exhausted.

I then divided up the swag for the kids and got to spend all day Monday listening to them fight over it. So in a way, it was almost like being back on the convention floor. *G* But I’d say I’d do it all over again next year if given the chance.

Back to Wednesday through Friday report.


NOTE:  I updated the previous Comicon report with a short video of Gary Jones doing a little comedy bit about the line he always wanted to deliver on SG-1.
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ckll
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Time:2007-08-01 10:56 am (UTC)
GREAT report, i rec it :)
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-01 01:20 pm (UTC)
Thanks! Glad to provide the service. *G*
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anakin415
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Time:2007-08-01 11:32 am (UTC)
came over from [Unknown LJ tag]

love "The Many Faces of Jensen"

BTW is your user name from a song lyric?"
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-01 01:25 pm (UTC)
Glad you enjoyed it!

And actually my user name here is an extension of my penname I started using over at ff.net years ago since liketheriver was already taken, so I added run since this lj is my run of ideas (eh, cheesey I know. But what are you gonna do?) liketheriver is a play on my *real* name. When people ask me how to spell it or mispronounce I tell them it's spelled just like the river. However, some of them evidently don't know their geography or that there is a river with that name somewhere in the world *G* I also liked it because it had the double meaning for me about how rivers flow and stories flow (hopefully). But, no songs involved. Although I have seen it as a kind of meditation mantra.
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anakin415
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Time:2007-08-01 01:29 pm (UTC)
cool it just keeps playing like a song in my head and i could swear its apart of a lyric and I just cant finish it LOL

thats cool your name is the same as a river mine is just a flower lol
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-01 01:39 pm (UTC)
Oh, I hate that when you have that thing on the tip of your tongue. If it is a lyric, I'm unaware of it. And I have niece named after a flower. We're evidently a very organic family. *G*
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kodiak_bear
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Time:2007-08-01 12:07 pm (UTC)
Oh, this was fantastic! It sounds like so much fun and the San Diego freeway, hell yes, it's a disaster. We went up through on our way to Edwards and then back through on our way to Shaw. The first run through I thought I was going to kill someone. Four little kids, one with an earache, way past dinner, with traffic jammed up for miles and no hotels in sight. Welcome to California, right!

I had to laugh at the Impala conversation and the mention of "Cause Dean is shot in the leg"...omg, I wonder if that's a season 3 spoiler bit because he wasn't ever shot in the leg in s1 and 2...*is hoping*

Loved the vid of Jensen, fantastic pictures of him, but that is too bad about Jared.

You know, on the ratings front, I have some serious frustration about that whole thing. There just isn't a way for someone like me to help the ratings even though I watch and it makes me want to shake somebody. The system is so completely flawed and yet it dictates everything. *argh*

The thing is too that SPN was originally on Tuesday nights and had much higher ratings, then the shift it to a timeslot on Thursday's that goes up against Grey's and CSI and geez, it's like signing another show's death warrant, what do they expect, both of those other shows are huge huge hits and have been around longer than SPN so of course they'll have a bit higher on the viewership loyalty. Very frustrating. I'd figured cw knew that an accepted that SPN was doing darn well where it was at, considering, but that comment makes me think they are just completely stupid. *grrrrrr*
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-01 01:35 pm (UTC)
You know, the traffic wasn't bad (except downtown which we avoided like the plague) but there were no *signs* for exits. And we were literally on the I-15 at one point and it splits two ways 5 north or 5 south...no 15 anywhere. WTF??? Which was is I want to stay on the 15??? That's when I decided to get off and look at the maps again (I have a degree in geology, people, I can read a map!) and it spits me out at the gate of the Naval Base so I'm trying to turn around and I'm sure you're more than aware of security around a military installation... no U-turns allowed,no stopping, no parking... finally find a way to turn around to get somewhere to pull over and there's the MF sign for 15. Gah! That's when I was losing it and Robyn is saying don't worry about it, we'll skip Julian no big deal. And I had hit Griswald stage at that point... we are going to Julian and we are going to eat pie and have a good time, dammit! Heeee.

I hadn't thought about the shot in the leg comment being a spoiler. You're right, here's hoping! *G*

And, yes, the ratings thing kills me for both shows for the same reasons you said, plus Sci Fi with their 8 month hiatus. Lord, when she said we shouldn't Tivo the show I wanted to jump up there and strangle her. Its all up to you the viewers. Well maybe if you *aired* the damn thing we might *view* it. And given the other dreck on CW, you would think they would be bowing at Kripke's feet. It is very annoying. Oh, what I forgot to say in the report was the show where they went to Hollywood, the network executive that kept giving them pointers... does it have to be so dark? How does the magic tablet work? etc... those were all actual notes they've gotten on shows over the years. Heeeee. And they literally killed the guy off in the episode in effigy. *G*
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kodiak_bear
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Time:2007-08-01 01:47 pm (UTC)
We were in luck, we have a GPS so the signs aren't as important then. :P We did go to the naval base because we just wanted a hotel and then get there to find they were booked so we had to go back out and find another one. We wound up going all the way through SD to the other side before stopping. We were exhausted.

That episode Hollywood, yeah, you could see a lot of injokes thrown in there, it was hilarious. And yes on the dreck on CW, they are terrible.

Sometimes I think the skiffy powers that be must be completely oblivious to how much their management skills are reviled because they completely suck at their job. It's amazing their network is still around but I think it's more to do with the fact that sci-fi fans are a desperate bunch and they're the only geeks in town. Though maybe that's the problem, the network isn't run by geeks!
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x5vale
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Time:2007-08-01 02:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you, it was almost as being there :)
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-02 03:28 am (UTC)
You are most welcome! And to get the true feeling of it, sit in a room for six hours with 2,000 of your closest friends while you read the report. *G*
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x5vale
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Time:2007-08-02 06:34 am (UTC)
I know...at the Asylum con it was the same :)
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Time:2007-08-01 03:10 pm (UTC)
Oh, I wish I could have made it out there, but the DC-California trip would have been too expensive. I'm from a few hours north of San Diego, so I guess there's always next year!
As for spreading the word- I've tried. It's just too difficult- most of the people I know aren't SciFi fans.
Too bad there isn't a comicon in Fresno. Then I could combine a visit home with it, and not have to pay for hotel stay...
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-02 03:31 am (UTC)
My hubby went up to Fresno to visit his brother while I was in San Diego at the con! And, believe me, I know what it's like to be the loner sci-fi fan in the group. Most people I know don't even know I write fic, muchless watch the shows I write for. But that's why we have the internet I guess. *G*
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runedgirl
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Time:2007-08-01 06:50 pm (UTC)
Great picturesand video!!! You must have been just a little behind us and it looks like right in front of Jensen!

Thanks for sharing your take on the day. Even though I was there, it's nice to hear other people's impressions of what happened:)) Kind of makes it more real.

Kat
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-02 03:33 am (UTC)
We ended up about three rows in front of the cameras that were set up and, yes, right in front of Jensen. *THANK GOD* I really thought it was a great panel, even without Jared. Sigh. Glad you got to see it too!
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lizard_22
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Time:2007-08-01 07:05 pm (UTC)
THAT IS SO AWESOME! *iz jealous* I love that man's eyebrows ... everything about him. *sigh* I'm good. :) Thanks for the wonderful report (and spoilers, which I read *zips lips*), gorgeous pics, and amazing video!!! *cling*
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-02 03:34 am (UTC)
Jensen really does some great expressions. So happy you enjoyed the report!
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-02 03:36 am (UTC)
It really is frightening isn't it? I just don't understand what the people at CW are thinking. I mean, they moved it against two of the most popular shows on network television and are disappointed in the ratings???? Come on people.
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winter_elf
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Time:2007-08-01 08:18 pm (UTC)
huh, as a local, I use the Morena/Linda vista trolley stop. Easy to get to and usually not crowded. Sorry you ran into trouble at Qualcomm. And this is the 1st year that the trolley system FINALLY got it right!!! gads. the last several years have been bad - not enough trains, no direct, not late enough, etc, etc. You picked a good year to come.

I have the exact same reaction to their rating speel 'watch live'. I've never, ever been counted in ratings, and I get my friends watching shows I like and even through parties! Its very frustrating. I tell this to the sci-fi booth people and to the lady who was on the stargate panel, and get a condensending reply. ::sigh:: I so hate the nielsons!

I actually managed to get into the Supernatural panel last minute. I wasn't all that interested in the ones before, and though there was a good chance of lots of turnover after the hamilton one. I was right. Okay, so I was near the back, but I got in! My camera is pitiful anyway, and I was 5 rows from the front for Stargate and still had sucky pics.

BTW - I got extras of the sci-fi Stargate pins - if you need any, email me: tearfall1 (at) yahoo.com and I'll mail them to you
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-02 03:41 am (UTC)
My in-laws have a house in Tierrasanta so we were literally just five minutes from Qualcomm which is why we chose that location, and aside from Thursday when the last special trolley left at 7:30 PM, the schedule was really great.

I actually wasn't interested in the panels before either but several of them were actually interesting given the alternative of fighting the crowds in the exhibition hall. And I got all four of the SG pins from the MGM booth (SGA, SG1, and the two movies) and I got a Sheppard pin (which I think is the Sci Fi pins you might be talking about) but I would love any others you might have extras of (esp. Rodney!)
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winter_elf
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Time:2007-08-02 03:48 am (UTC)
yea, the Sci-fi booth pins. They had 3 Atlantis ones - John, Rodney & Sam. I have extra's of all. If you'd like Rodney (or Sam), email me your addy and I'll send. tearfall1 (at) yahoo.com
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-03 02:16 pm (UTC)
FYI... I just emailed you my address, so let me know if you don't get it. Hotmail can be spotty at times. *G*
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lovetheguys
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Time:2007-08-01 08:33 pm (UTC)
Excellent report, many thanks for sharing! Sounds like you had a great time, and I sure wish I'd been there! Sigh! Love, Robin
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2007-08-02 03:37 am (UTC)
We really did have a blast! So glad you liked the report. Thanks!
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