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| My baby girl started kindergarten today and her brother started third grade. Hubby took her this morning and she was asking how long she would have to stay and was it longer than 30 minutes and a little clingy but then she saw a friend she had in daycare and ran off to play with her and when she came home she was talking about how she was learning about respect and making new friends. And I'm thinking, my baby is growing up and look how mature she is for a five year old! Then she gives the phone back to my hubby and he's telling me how he gave her the funky German cone of goodies that's traditional for kindergartners on their first day of school and she's walking around in it like it's a peg leg, and I remember, well, she is still only five.
Of course, it's things like this that remind me... I'm getting older. I mean, yes, the whole turning 40 thing a few months ago definitely clued me into that fact, as well. But me getting older doesn't hit the same way as my kids getting older. And this is one of the reasons I'm so frustrated about hearing about the whole Stargate Universe wanting to draw in a younger demographic. The thing is, I like my demographic and I like seeing my demographic on screen. It was just a couple of weeks ago that I was telling my husband that one of my favorite things about SGA is that John and Rodney are my age. More than that, I love that Joe and David are parents of young children and that they have both cracked that forty year old boundary. As corny as this sounds, and believe me, I know it does, it makes me feel a connection with them as actors and characters that I just don't have with twenty-somethings. And it's also why I enjoy writing them. As much as I enjoy watching Supernatural, I really struggle writing Sam and Dean because they are so much younger than me. And even though I might end up enjoying Stargate Universe whenever it finally airs, I don't think I'll be able to relate to the characters and feel connected like I do with John and Rodney. It feels like some good friends are moving away and as much as you say you'll keep in touch, you know it won't be the same as seeing them every week. And that's why I'll really miss SGA. | pebbles: Drop a pebble    |
| | I'm only 29, 30 in Jan, but I've never related well to those teeny-bopper shows. I've always enjoyed the shows with more mature actors, since all the young characters seem able to do is piss me off with their brattish behavior. Just promise that you won't leave John and Rodney, even if you do fall in for SGU? Please? Losing them to the SG-90210 is horrible enough, but to lose you too, that would truly be tragic. | | (Reply) (Thread) |
| | I'm not saying I'm going to stop writing as soon as the last ep airs, but at the same time, I just know it's inevitable that the ideas are going to stop coming without the weekly fix. But I'm going to do my best to keep writing. | | (Reply) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I'm a bit over 40--but I still feel about that age. You're right about Supernatural. I really like the show, but the guys are simply to young for me to REALLY get fannish over.
I was big into fandom in the eighties. But after Quantum Leap was cancelled and X-Files died in the early nineties, I drifted away for almost 10 years. Nothing else really got me going again until Stargate SG-1 around 2002. The Internet and fanfic REALLY got me back into fandom in a big way. And SGA fandom was even bigger and better than SG-1!
But with the cancellation of SGA, I'm like you, thinking this is probably it for big fandoms for me. I'd like to stick my nose in the air and say, "I'm not touching SGU with a 10-foot pole." I'll give it a try, I suppose. But, if they really do go for the "younger vibe" I doubt it will be more than mildly interesting to me. | | (Reply) (Thread) |
| | Oh, I adored X-Files for most of it's run and actually co-wrote a *massive* fic for it. Then, like you said, nothing really caught my eye until SGA (although I was reading fic in a couple other fandoms, including SG1). But I just connected with John and Rodney the same way I connected with Mulder and Scully, and I think that has alot to do with them being the same age as me. And it is hard to say never to SGU because I have enjoyed the other two shows so much by the same team, so there's a pretty good chance I'll like this one, too. But it will be a miracle if they can find anything as good as the Sheppard and McKay vibe in any other show. | | (Reply) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Word. I'm in the same demographic as you (my baby did the Kindergarten thing last year) and that is why I love John and Rodney. They are the same generation. I was a Buffy fan but gosh, golly gee I could never write for them. It would sound like a middle aged woman trying to act like a 16 year old. That's just plain wrong. Well as I've been saying to myself for the last week- long live fandom and fanfic. | | (Reply) (Thread) |
| | I really enjoyed Buffy, too. Hell, I read some great fic in Teen Titan universe. I think you can enjoy anything that is well written/acted. But it just doesn't grab you the way something does that you can *relate* to. I was reading David H.'s blog before he got married and he was discussing what suit he was going to wear and he described one as his shiny fancy pants and how they made him think he should walk down the aisle with Duran Duran's Girls on Film playing in the background and I thought, I was just listening to that song on my 80s CD today! | | (Reply) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Oh don't even get me started on Duran Duran (I have even indoctinated my kids!). But yes, when I started watching SGA I thought to myself, I could have gone to high school with these guys. OK, maybe not, because Shep would have been in some hoity toity prep school and Rodney in college already, but you know what I mean. | | (Reply) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I'm actually in the target demographic (or well I guess I would be if I had a cock, since we all know, Girls Don't Matter to Scifi), at age 23, but I'm sorry, I just will not believe 20 somethings can be heads of important missions. No matter how Doogie Howser smart they are, no one is going to put a 21 year old in charge of anything important.
I can buy a 40 something year old guy as being a genius, and having the experience and skills necessary to be sent on a mission like Atlantis. I can buy a 40 year old guy as being a high ranked officer with tons of combat experience. A 20 something would skill be in school for gods sake!
Thanks the whole reason no one buys Keller as a doctor, cause she looks like a kid! She doesn't look old enough to be out of medical school, let alone the CMO of Atlantis.
I want Science Fiction, not 90210 in Space!
You can argue that Sam and Daniel were young at the beginning at SG1, but they acted like adults. I just have this terrible feeling this new show is pretty much gonna be a teenage soap in space. | | (Reply) (Thread) |
| | I've always respected SG for using age appropriate actors for most of the roles. I think it comes from working so closely with the Air Force and what age people of certain rank would be. The big exception to that was Weir. From the moment they introduced the character on SG1, I never bought into her character, even with the first actress. She was too young and wearing a pastel skirt and sweater set. She looked like a kindergarten teacher, not a seasoned international negotiator. There is no way she could walk onto what is for all practical purposes a military base and take command, and there was no way the SGC would have put a woman in her mid-30s in command. Hell, how many big negotiations could she have led by that age? So, I'm hoping they'll have some common sense and still leave the more age appropriate officers, etc in place in SGU and maybe just focus on the younger officers... think if they had decided to make Ford the lead character of SGA instead of Sheppard. But even then, I would have been saying, gee, I wish they would show more of those minor characters Sheppard and McKay. *G* | | (Reply) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I've always been an old fart: I always dated older men, I always hung out with the grown-ups at family get-togethers and tv/movies aimed at teenagers have always bored me. I'm going to give SGU a chance (just like I did SGA - I was sure nothing could be as good as SG1), but I admit to HUGE misgivings based on the descriptions we've been given so far. But then, I thought the McKay character (whom we all loved to hate on SG1) would ruin SGA. | | (Reply) (Thread) |
| | I have to admit that when I saw Rodney was going to Atlantis, I didn't even watch the rest of the episode. I kept thinking how much I hated him on SG1 and how annoying he was and now I get weepy just thinking about not having a weekly fix of him. And I had the same reaction when I heard they were sending Woolsey over and I've absolutely loved every scene he's been in so far. So, never say never about SGU I guess, but I'll still have my doubts until they prove me wrong by putting out a quality show. | | (Reply) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Right there with you girl. I agree this whole "grapping the younger demographic" is frustrating especially for us upper 30's/ early 40's demographic. I look forward to a weekly show that portrays people running around another galaxy who are my age. I understand and laugh at the cultural references and I also like seeing characters who are basically married to their job and have developed a surrogate family from their co-workers. I love the team and expedition dynamics because deep down it reminds me of places I have or do work. I can easily relate, except for the whole other galaxy thing but actually some days the university acts like it is a whole nother galaxy so maybe it really is right on track. So once again I am faced with losing a freat way to sit back on a friday, have a beer, relax, and be entertained. | | (Reply) (Thread) |
| | It really is frustrating that people are out of a job (and we're out of a fun show) for being age appropriate for their positions. I've always liked the dynamics on SGA (well, except for most of Season 2 but they definitely got back on track in Season 3) for the reasons you mentioned, which makes it even more frustrating to lose it. | | (Reply) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I go back and forth between growling Bastards! and feeling like a woobie. *G* | | (Reply) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I didn't see an email in your profile, so sorry for hijacking the comments...
I got an idea for an SGA project involving images from the show, only I have *no* idea how to go about getting them, none at all. But I remember the absolutely awesome comic you did for sga_flashfic, and I was wondering if you could give me any pointers? I've got a bit more detail posted here: http://fish-echo.livejournal.com/3880.html
I'd really appreciate any help you could give me. Sorry for being a bother! | | (Reply) (Thread) |
| My five year old also just started kindergarten on the 25th. She cried, ALOT and then I cried. I have three girls where Joe Flanigan has three boys. I don't know how many David Hewlett has, but we all seem to be in the same boat. (All about the same age with small children)
I like Supernatural too but Stargate Atlantis is my all-time favorite. I can relate to them. I thought cool, they're 'my age'
I'm angry because they literally sacrificed Atlantis for their 'pet project' SG Universe. (Geared to the younger viewer)
So is 40 the cut-off? When you as a viewer no longer matter once you hit the mark?
Atlantis is a successful, award winning show with an awesome cast and crew, large fan base and great ratings. So what gives?
When Sci-fi canceled SGA, they lost me as a viewer. But I guess it doesn't matter, because I'm not twenty-something.
So, we'll get an hour and a half movie vs 20/21 episodes per season for what should have been at least another three seasons? Yeah...real nice.
I feel the worst of all for the cast and crew who worked so hard to bring us a great show and this is how they are rewarded. It's not fair to them.
I'll miss their banter/snark. The friendships, action & adventure. The characters were lovable & realistic. They were attractive beyond the exterior.
I'm going to miss them all....(going off to sulk)
Please continue to write SGA. You write so well, and it would go such a long way in keeping SGA alive in some form. You do wonderful H/C and team. Thank you for that.
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| Well, as much as I would like to blame Sci Fi, I've heard MGM didn't even offer them a season 6, just went straight to the movie pitch and SGU. And I, too, hate it more for the cast and crew, although that is the life of an actor. So, I guess that gives me room to sulk for my own loss. *G*
As to the children situation... David has a little boy that is just about a year old (give or take) and Rachel (obviously) and Jason both had new babies within that same year, I believe a few months prior to baby Hewlett. Joe's youngest is maybe 2 or so (I think) and Amanda had one not long before she appeared in Grace Under Pressure. So lots of parents with young children in the cast. *G*
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