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Subject:Pissy post regarding Brain Storm
Time:07:11 pm

I really was willing to give this ep a chance.  I really really was willing despite the McKeller aspects because I love Dave Folley and all the other geeks running around but...

 Let's not even touch on the whole complete and total *lack* of chemistry between Rodney and Jennifer because that was bad enough and I've bitched about that enough in the whole concept of a McKay Keller romance.  But here a few things that really puts this up at the top of my list of episodes I can't stand (right up there with Travelers and Sanctuary).

1.  The geeks picking on Rodney. The bickering was fine, it was the constant Rodney is a whiny loser attitude that they had toward him and because of what Rodney does, he couldn't defend himself.  And Keller never once stepped in to defend him.

2.  Keller telling Rodney to sit down when he tried to stop them from turning on the gate bridge.  Surely she knows what happened the last time they turned on the bridge.  Maybe then was not the time to argue about who came up with the idea but it sure as shit was the proper time to stand up and say this is dangerous, don't do it.

3.  Rodney is the only one who can wield and axe against a door?????  The only one out of all those people just standing around out there who could take up a fucking axe and bash a hole in the door????  That has to be the worst plot device set up for a rescue of the damsel in distress that I have *ever* seen.

4.  CPR on a hypothermic victim???? Come on!

5.  Okay, I know I said I wouldn't talk about this, but, yes, there is no chemistry between them and what is up with people falling in love with each other and confessing said love before they even go out on a goddamn date or on the first goddamn date?????

I just... I have to go take nice hot bubble bath, drink a glass of wine, and get good and drunk and dream happy John and  Rodney dreams before my head explodes.


 
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saltyd
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Time:2008-11-22 03:33 am (UTC)
Well, we did get that Jealous Shep scene at the beginning when he was watching Rodney and Keller in the cafeteria :)
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wraithfodder
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Time:2008-11-22 04:39 am (UTC)
It was the ONLY scene really worth watching!
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d_odyssey
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Time:2008-11-22 03:44 am (UTC)
WORD!!!!!!! I need a fricking time machine to go back and get that hour back. I need a gallon, at least, of brain bleach. You hit on all my points. No chemistry, even when they were kissing there was no passion, it was almost forced, like neither actor wanted to do it. 1. Yes, the smartest people on the planet bickering like first graders and they all stop and listen to Jennifer, the most charming, sweetest, smartest, wonderful woman on the planet.
2. Yes, she already said she didn't know what was going on, so let Rodney, who has experience with this, handle it.
3. Security coulnd't have went straight there like Rodney did. And who has wooden doors in high security facilities, especially in protected areas?
4.Please, not only CPR then she wakes right up and declares her love and starts kissing him. Oh, and he can't lose her. Gag!
5. NO chemistry whatsoever. First date - come on Gero. This started in The Shrine where brain damaged Rodney declared his love before they went on a date. Now they go on the date and she declares her love. And they can't lose each other???
6. She was nagging him the whole trip about his ego and negativity - that is the essence of Rodney. Hello, Keller have you met McKay? Why can't she accept him for who he is. Because he can't be himself around her, that's why. Leave him with Sheppard who accepts him completely and unapologetically for who he is. This whole McKeller thing is totally unbelievable in every way - intellectually and sexually.

Gero should not have been allowed to air his fantasies. I need a scalding hot shower, brain bleach, some good old eps and some good fanfic - maybe some Geeks and Goons! Like you either my head is going to explode or my stomach is. Why did I watch this? It confirmed that the writers are as dumb as rocks.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 04:43 am (UTC)
You know, a lot of what Keller was saying to Rodney didn't bother me that much. I've known couples like that where one really needs to rein the other in. And I didn't mind her saying, hey, remember you're on a date here, focus on me a little bit. Or even when she was saying now is not the time to start an argument over who did what. What I *didn't* like was when she never once stood up for him in front of the other physicists. She could have easily said, hey! He's doing very important work of a sensitive nature and let it drop at that. And I *hated* it when she tugged him down when he stood up to tell Tunney not to turn on the bridge. She was his only friend in the room, she knew that, and she treated him just as bad as everyone else there. If she knows him as well as she likes to think, she would know if Rodney says something is dangerous, chances are it's pretty damn well dangerous. But she seemed more embarrassed than concerned with the dangers and that was just intolerable.
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kodiak_bear
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Time:2008-11-22 04:10 am (UTC)
I couldn't bring myself to watch it. I just couldn't. Well, TBH, I turned on the TV at 9:02 (apparently missed the one Shep moment) and it was Rodney and Keller on the plane and the whining and... *scrubs brain*... I shut it off. I just. Shut. It. Off.

Even if there wasn't the baggage of SGA being axed for them to play with SGU, this travesty of a finale season has nailed the lid to the coffin. Unless they were to replace half the freaking writing staff with some actual god honest talent, there's no way I'd give them my viewership. These people have used up their stargate creativity. It is a dried well of cliches, plot holes, and 'pat ourselves on the back for being SO clever'.

Ugh. I'm fuming over what they did to SGA this season. Just fuming.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 04:53 am (UTC)
The thing is, for me, Season 5 has had some really high highs and some really low lows. This ep being the lowest point yet. And I really was willing to give it a try for the pure geeky love of the guest stars. And now I'm pissed they wasted Dave Folley like they did. The plot holes were *huge* and the set ups soooooo contrived and just fucking piss poor writing, that all potential for what could have been a fun ep was lost to *force*(and it was absolutely forced in the writing) the whole McKeller shit. The whole rescue was the worst writing I have ever come across, ever, including really bad fanfic. The setup, the rescue itself, the CPR, the immediate recovery and making out... her heart was stopped because she was hypothermic, a few chest compressions and boom! she's awake and not even cold any more, smiling and professing her love and kissing him... not 30 seconds after she supposedly comes back to life. It was just bad. Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad. And the worst part is, I can't even fix it with fic. I have no clue how to do it unless I rewrite the entire ep with John there instead of Keller. GAH! I need more booze....
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negolith2
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Time:2008-11-22 04:16 am (UTC)
Sigh.

I am so glad my last name is spelled different than Martin Gero's, now I'm thinking of changing the pronunciation.... Srsly - that man needs to go take Creative Writing 101 all over again.

Even if Rodney had simply said "I can't tell you what I'm working on - it's, um, top secret" while he was being razzed, it could have made a difference. But, then, Gero is clearly into humiliating the characters that allow him to be a big writer/producer/director. Or is emasculating the essence of the character a better description?

Chopping through the ice would have been much quicker than chopping through a cheap prefab door because, well, ice shatters. And WORD on the cheap prefab doors in a super secure research facility.

And I think I dislocated my eyeballs on the roll the CPR on a hypthermia victim produced. Puhleeze.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 04:56 am (UTC)
Yes! Yes! Yes! to all of it. Honestly, the only way to make a living in scientific research is either in academics or government or corporate which is usually geared toward the government sector. If you say, I'm working on a project that I can't talk about, most people in that field would get that it's government related. It was just such a contrived piece of shit episode I have no idea how they could put it on the screen.
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wraithfodder
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Time:2008-11-22 04:33 am (UTC)
I'm glad I'm not the only one vivisecting the episode ;) Alas, I have no wine to drink! hmm, chocolate perhaps...
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 04:56 am (UTC)
Chocolate is always good... but the wine was better. *G*
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pegasus_01
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Time:2008-11-22 04:37 am (UTC)
It's too late for me. My head's already exploded. GOD!!! I think the part I MOST hated (and there were a lot) was when Rodney was trying to say this was a bad idea and Keller shut him down. Hello?! Was she NOT THERE for the Rod debacle? Well... that may have been before her time, but surely she read the field note? Someone told her about it? And even if she didn't know, I'd have thought she would have been a) smart enough, and b) aware enough of the fact that when Rodney start voicing his opinion in that high pitched tone of voice is because it's time to fucking pay attention to him. Not just tell him to suck it up and that now is not the time to be raising doubts about a project that could KILL YOU! AAAARGH!!!!!

I want my McKay/Sheppard chemistry back... I want my team back... *pulls at your sleeve* Make it beeeeetter!!!
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 05:00 am (UTC)
Exactly! That right there just pissed me the hell off. It's one thing to point out, Hey, Rodney, you're on a date here, pay attention to me and you know, maybe now is not the time to debate who came up with what idea. But to have him sit down when he was pointing out the dangers of something just because she was embarrassed was unforgivable. If Rodney McKay is saying something is dangerous from personal experience, Keller of all people should know that you listen to what he's saying. And I have no fucking clue how to fix this with a fic unless I rewrite the entire ep with John there instead of Keller. Moan.
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sobelle
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Time:2008-11-22 05:37 am (UTC)
Well said.

Seriously. that was a shite episode beyond telling. SO filled with the dumb.

HATED it.

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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 05:01 am (UTC)
It really was bad. Just bad, bad, bad writing. They should be ashamed of how contrived that episode was.
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piplover
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Time:2008-11-22 06:48 am (UTC)
I couldn't bring myself to watch it. I just couldn't. This is the last year of SGA, and I am not going to tarnish my enjoyment by watching something that craptastic. In my head, this never happened. Never!
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 05:03 am (UTC)
I tried to give it a chance. I thought I'd hate Tracker but I actually ended up liking the Rodney and Ronon bits throughout the episode. So, I thought, maybe Rodney with the geeks would be fun. It wasn't. It was back to Rodney being the butt of the joke and not even fun jokes but very cruel ones and it was just horrific plot holes put in for no other reason than to push the McKeller. You are much better off for not watching it.
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dru_evilista
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Time:2008-11-22 07:52 am (UTC)
Word! I mean, ok I was kinda amused to see the guy from all the History channel shows, and Bill Nye,(and laughed out loud at Rodney being all "At least my phd is real!" to Bill Nye) but seriously? THEM snarking at McKay? They're not even in the same universe as McKay! If they were 1/10th as smart as McKay they'd have been invited into the Stargate program. They're not. They might be more intelligent then the average person, but they're gibbering idiots next to Rodney.

I was amused by John being all "OMG Camping yay- That whore! She's touching my Rodney!"

But like you said, they have no chemistry. There's nothing between them. Like the guys thought, she could be his sister for all the romantic tension there is between them! Hell he has 1000% times more spark with his sister!

And the fucking trying to change him. What is with the woman and trying to change him?! Both Keller, and Katie Brown tried to change who he is. They know god damned well going in what he's like. He IS his ego. He is the smartest man in the room, and he's going to act like it. If you don't like it, don't date him! Sheppard likes him. He enjoys being with Rodney, the way Rodney is. There's no trying to make him nicer or tone done his ego.

And John would have been in snarling ass kicking mode defending Rodney against all the abuse everyone was flinging at him. Keller? Nothing. And the bitch claims to love him?!

I swear I threw up in the back of my mouth at that last scene. Gag me. Eww. Christ. Just wrong.
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babs_sg1
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Time:2008-11-22 12:05 pm (UTC)
Even though Katie wasn't good enough for Rodney at least I could stand her more than Keller. Keller's voice just grates on me and in this ep, it grated more than usual.
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from_the_corner
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Time:2008-11-22 10:03 am (UTC)
Haven't seen it yet. And now I'm seriously considering not watching it at all. I hate when my shows leave me disgusted and I'm afraid it's going to happen after this ep.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 05:12 am (UTC)
I have never said this about any ep... except maybe Travelers... but don't watch it. Seriously, it will just piss you off. Unless you really need an excuse to drink massive amounts of alcohol to try to erase the memory.
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babs_sg1
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Time:2008-11-22 12:02 pm (UTC)
It totally killed me that the door Keller was trapped behind was wood! I mean, all she did was sit and whine about how she was becoming hypothermic. You mean there wasn't a single thing she could try to get out of her situation?

Amen to the No Chemistry. And Keller was just damn annoying. Um, she loves Rodney but she wants him to change to her version of what Rodney should be? What kind of love is that?
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 05:14 am (UTC)
I know! Take off those stupid boots and use them as an ice pick. And I am just boggled that Rodney was the only one who could go beat down a door. Security couldn't get to her but he could??? It was just horribly written.
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pansychubb
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Time:2008-11-22 03:21 pm (UTC)
Yup. I agree with you, but I do have to admit that I squealed in geeky glee whenever Bill Nye was on screen. 'Cuz come on - BILL NYE! I grew up with the Science Guy!

That said, it wasn't enough to save the episode. Not only was it full of all that "green" crap I hate so much (but that's another rant!), but the end simply made me want to vomit. TPTB have been trying to convince us that Keller is a competent human being and that she can have feelings for two men without being labeled a "woman of ill repute," and yet we're led to believe that she fooled around in the back of a private jet on what she herself called a FIRST date???

I'm just disgusted.

-Pansy Chubb (aka LilRicki)
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-23 05:21 am (UTC)
Honestly, I didn't mind the green stuff because I am, admittedly, one of those green people. And actually, I've become hooked on a show on the Green channel called Living with Ed and Bill Nye shows up regularly because he's Ed Begley's neighbor and they're in this friendly rivalry to one up each other as to who is more environmentally sound on their property. So, Bill Nye is a huge green guy, too, and hilarious when he was bragging about ordering a wind turbine and Ed already had one being installed the next day. The look on Nye's face when he saw that turbine was just priceless... Begley has a freakin' wind turbine! Heeeee.

And yes, the I was dead for a few seconds less than an hour ago but now I want to get it on was just ludicrous. Helloooo? Maybe you should, I don't know, be in a flipping hospital being check out first? God, this episode was just so poorly written it makes me ill.
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loddlaen
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Time:2008-11-23 12:04 pm (UTC)
Hello

I loved your review of this ep, you pointed out so many of the things I disliked about it. The comments from other readers have also pointed out many more things I disliked about this episode and the direction of S5 in general. So I don't have much to add except to say:

I'm just so disappointed that it was Martin Gero who wrote this :( He used to be the one writer I trusted to give me a good SGA episode (well, until he wrote 'Sunday' that is, personally I think now that I should look back on that as the beginning of his downward slope).

Gero used to write great Rodney McKay, he always gave us proper insight into the character and he wrote him with dignity and affection (unlike some other SGA writers I can mention). Gero also wrote interesting SGA-verse science too, it was always geeky and made some sense in terms of his plots. His episodes were always the ones that I could enjoy for their Gen content and then McShep really easily because he included lots of Rodney and John moments. Gero's stuff used to be the episodes in which DH and JF would consistently knock it out of the park in terms of their acting (I'm not American - I hope I got that metaphor right LOL).

I know Hewlett was acting his socks off in 'Brain Storm' but I just didn't believe him - no way did I sense any realistic chemistry between him and Keller. And I'm sorry to say this but I find Jewel Staite's portrayal of Keller very annoying this season, I used to like her in Firefly but I really don't like her in SGA. I dislike the idea of wanting to character bash but sometimes Keller brings me very close to it :(

Only a few more episodes of S5 to go now and I'm wondering what other nonsense the writers will throw at us. I think this has been a very patchy season and, for once, it contains episodes that I'll never watch again - this is a new phenomenon for me in terms of SGA :(

I'm holding fast to the same idea that velocitygrass espouses: that Rodney is just plain clueless about his own feelings when it comes to these women he keeps chasing after - they're just not compatible or suitable for him. Also, on the McShep front, he is clueless about his own feelings for John.
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liketheriverrun
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Time:2008-11-24 01:40 am (UTC)
I actually usually enjoy Gero eps, too, for the reason you stated. And Sunday would have been one of my favorite eps if not for the whole killing off Carson bit. Personally, I believe that part was a rewrite of the original ep where everything turned out fine in the end. From what I've gathered, TPTB freaked when SG1 was canceled and felt they needed to shake things up a bit and their answer was to kill off Carson and this ep seemed to be the easiest to do it in. Which is too bad because it was a really fun character ep up until that.

I also have to agree with Jewel's portrayal of Keller. I actually loved her on Firefly but I look at eps like The Shrine and there are scenes where the dialogue could have been delivered in a much stronger authoritative tone and they would have worked much better. Maybe it's the directing wanting her to seem sullen and pouty, but if she had come across as a strong doctor who knew what she was doing, I might have bought into the conflict more. As it was, I just thought she was sulky and acting like a spoiled child. That being said, I could watch The Shrine every day and never get tired of it.

The problem with this ep, besides the blantant McKeller, was the really really bad plotting and setup and contrived events to lead up to the final McKeller declaration of love. It was just bad writing. The story had potential and they just totally blew it IMO.
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